The pull is where it's mounted behind the radiator (usual position) and pulls air through the radiator and exhausts the air across the engine compartment. Push vs Pull. Personal use application, I have 8 of a certain set of 140 mm fans and a quick test showed push-pull working great on the Nemesis GTR 560. The GTS didn't scale all that well until push/pull 2500+ RPM, and if you can fit push/pull, you can fit a larger radiator with one set of fans. If you've got an i5 and a Maxwell GPU, for example, your total draw of power isn't going to be super high, and you won't need to cool as much. Share Followers 2 "Push" vs "Pull", radiator airflow configurations. The two promotional strategy which is applied to get the product to the target market is Push and Pull Strategy. Reason being, there isn't enough flow resistance to effect air movement. Testing push vs pull vs push/pull” net, “Push or pull air across radiator fins?” Tom’s Hardware, “Liquid cooling – should it pull the air INTO the case or push out?” Tech Radar, “PC cooling mythbusting with Corsair’s fan and PC case experts” Ars Technica, “Push vs pull cooling” Find out what fan configuration is best for cooling down your radiator. Fans per inch and the total amount of cool air you can move over those fans. Seems worth it. Push or pull makes no difference for the radiator. 41 members have voted. The process of reversing them is easy and straight-forward. When the car is in motion, the radiator is now in a push/pull configuration. By EnergyEclipse March 31, 2017 in Custom Loop and Exotic Cooling. P.S. 280mm radiator top-mounted, pull-exhaust configuration. There's really no correlation between push/pull and a passive radiator design. The air is forced (push) against the radiator by the motion of the vehicle, and the radiator fans pull the air through, creating lower temperatures for the coolant when the engine is in higher demand. Why? My apologies. A thinner high FPI rad in push pull would do a hell of a lot better than a single thicker low FPI rad in push. Press J to jump to the feed. Every intake is covered with dust filter and positive airflow keeps dust out pretty effectively. However, in this LTT video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYli6itP38 They come to the conclusion of using pull configuration with the radiator at the top of the case. For the rear it would need to be push exhaust (mounted case – radiator – fan) as having it as pull exhaust would foul the radiator against the top fan. The former has two active drivers that are motivated by direct amplification, while the latter has but one that is. Let’s double check that at medium fan speeds. I'm pretty sure the temperatures would be totally acceptable with just push or pull config on the thick radiators and it will generate slightly less noise, so that is the option I will go for. My initial post was not very detailed. Because that's what the manual says :/. Neither relates to whether air is flowing into our out of your case. In the video he gets the best results from front mounted radiator and fans in a push configuration. Pic: https://i.imgur.com/TPoN3ih.jpg (Front-radiator, pull config). We have shown how two of the most popular radiator sizes (120 and 140mm), … I was wondering what the delta would be in a push pull setup on a 240mm radiator using 4x 120 SP vs 2x 120 SP push fans and 2x 140 mm A pull fans. Push means air goes fan -> radiator, pull means air goes radiator -> fan. Given that a static pressure fan runs around $20 a piece, it's up to you to determine if the relative cost versus the performance increase are worth it. Have at it. 6600K + 1060. my case is rather small, it'd be hard to fit the radiator on top, the manual says it's recommended to do it that way. There's no clear answer on this stuff, and the reason for the topic :). 240mm radiator front-mounted, push-intake configuration. Almost no dust on radiator or fans on them. I want to set the top radiator as intake and on pull. Linustectips clearly reccomends a pull configuration. with a smaller radiator thats 120mm then push pull is the way to go. Fans move air through the radiator assisting in cooling the engine. 3x Fans (45 Euro) + 1x 60mm Rad (97 Euro) = 142 Euro. push-pull gives no real gains. However, my case Phanteks P400 might be too small for that. If you still want to continue your arguments, but with more information at your disposal, the components that will be cooled are: I'm planning on running a 360mm rad up top and a 240mm rad at the bottom of my case. 1. Which airflow configuration do you most commonly use for any radiator? Other than regurgitating the information you've read, have you actually ran tests of your own? I have a PC 011 Dynamic case with Hardware Labs GTX for top and a L Series stealth … What would you guys recommend? So Bitwit posted a video where he tested AIO radiator position and temperatures here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNAMxZgvves. One fan pulling air out of the case at the back. Part 2 clarified things about radiator performance, how radiator performance is expressed and how do we read radiator performance charts. Which is it, what do you prefer and why? I'm not going to reply to everyone individually, because this seems to have sparked a somewhat toxic debate amongst a few people. Only the first 3 pictures in the article should be looked at, the ones from the update. Today we address the subject of push, pull, push-pull fan setups and how they affect different radiators and performance. An interesting mod to a Shuttle would be to move the fan outside the radiator (sucking vs blowing) and see what effect it had. I'm not planning a purely quiet build because the ambient temperature here can get pretty extreme (was 42C here the other day) and I don't want my PC to run at high temps.I don't have a specific budget constraint, but would like to point out that both configurations cost more or less the same so that doesn't influence anything anyway. ... obviously testing out push, pull and push/pull … And honestly, you get some pretty big diminishing returns when you do push/pull unless you are using a thick radiator (50mm +). I'd go with the thicker radiator in pull. Not likely. Temperature-wise, I think it benefits. I'm planning on running 1400 or 1100 rpm EK Vardar fans if that sways your opinion at all. 30-40% on Push vs 85%+ on Push/Pull. But he didn't have a vent where it was pulling air from. From working on high performance cars for over a decade, I can say without a doubt that there is a benefit to a push/pull configuration. I earned 2-3 degrees with push-pull on my Kraken, but it all depends if you really need this. I was wondering if that was a viable choice. Push, pull, or push/pull? Also, if you will have 10 fans in the PC, that might be a complication : noise-wise and powering them all. This should be the top post. Alternatively, I'd can go for a 360mm x 26mm thinner radiator with 6x fans. The two types of strategies differ, in the way consumers are approached. A thick rad in pull -I prefer pull for easy cleaning- is better, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the watercooling community, Press J to jump to the feed. Almost like there's air somewhere? Exhausting air form inside the case through a radiator may give you a few degrees higher CPU temp in games because GPU makes a lot of hot air. My Corsair H100i V2 is on the front and push configuration. Will it drop your temps 10 degrees? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Martinm210 says: November 12, 2013 at 5:43 pm. I went with it up top pulling out of case to keep it cleaner, no doubt in the front it'd be much dirtier. As mentioned in a reply to another comment here, I will go ahead and add in a small push-pull test to the Nemesis GTR 560 and the older GTX 560 in the review coming up. Anyway. If it ever does make excessive noise, undo the water block, put it limp below the rad, then get a psu self tester and use it to jump the pc with only the aio connected, give it 5, then put it back together, it cycles the air out. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. 240mm radiator front-mounted, push-intake configuration. You've also got to consider how much heat you're trying to cool. Honestly though, the Shuttle setup works fine (I have a … When you have a push config, the dust ends up between the radiator and fan. To say that anything that improves the performance of another component is a waste, not worth it, too expensive, etc is just bad advice. much easier to clean, and the same performance. Using radiator as intake on the other hand hardly effects GPU temps in game. EDIT: Please only take into consideration the first three pictures. TONS of people have asked me about fan configurations for radiators and heatsinks. The original article as some inconsistencies and is bias. In a car (not all, but most), the fan is located behind the radiator and PULLS air from the radiator. From googling I can't find any solution except lowering the hoses. Not sure and no longer have the time to test either. For a standard pass radiator, your not gonna notice any difference in push or pull, no matter what rpm the fan is. I'm not planning for pure performance (high rpm fans), because the PC is in my living room and the noise would drive me nuts. Video explaining why push/pull isn't necessary and pretty much just makes your case louder. Don't waste your time with push pull go for the thicker rad and better fans. 280mm radiator top-mounted, pull-exhaust configuration. So, if you want optimal overall temps, you should give your radiator fresh air. A puller fan on the other hand sits right behind the radiator. hey guys setting up my first watercooled rig just had a question. All shrouded fans should be on the engine side of the radiator. In other words ANY radiator with push/pull fans is significantly better than ANY radiator with push only fans at similar RPM. 6600K + 1060. Which do I recommend? A pull set-up is Infact the most effective. Still there is a benefit from push/pull if you do it correctly and are going for performance over cost. The original article is comparing static pressure fans in push/pull with basically case fans in push. For the front you can go push or pull, whatever you think looks better. Thank you all for your replies. That way i can keep all the sound dampening panels closed on my fractal design define r5. I prefer top-mounted for aesthetics, the build with front/intake radiator mount is simply because the case did not support top/exhaust with the mATX mobo, case is a Corsair Air 240. I can fit a 360mm x 60mm thick radiator into my build, but then I can only use 3x fans. Mounted on the engine side of the radiator, a pull fan does not interfere with airflow at highway speeds. I prefer top-mounted for aesthetics, the build with front/intake radiator mount is simply because the case did not support top/exhaust with the mATX mobo, case is a Corsair Air 240. You don't know that at all. 6x Fans (90 Euro) + 1x 38mm Rad (64 Euro) = 154 Euro. I only get dust on the front intake and bottom filter where the psu is. If anyone has a Coolermaster Masterliquid 240... Are you getting weird bubble sounds sometimes? Linus makes a great point about pressurized fans. We have covered the basics about radiators in the Part 1 blog, and in Part 2 we even showed some charts. Now if the rad is like an DD extreme, or similiar, then I wouldn't be doing anything other then a push and pull … Generally the push fans are high static pressure (usually 3-pin DC). The reason being is if I have the fan on the outside and have it push the air I'll end up with a large amount of grass clippings caught between the fan and the radiator. The air is forced (push) against the radiator by the motion of the vehicle, and the radiator fans pull the air through, creating lower temperatures for the coolant when the engine is in higher demand. 6700K + 1080Ti. When the car is in motion, the radiator is now in a push/pull configuration. When you have a pull config you get dust on the opposite side of the radiator from the fans. A pusher fan sits in front of the radiator. I see you throwing this around constantly like it's gospel. Since space is a concern in this case, I would recommend a larger radiator with three fans over a smaller radiator with six fans. Because dust-management is easier. We continue our guides that show differences in radiator performance depending on the speed of the fans, thickness, and FPI of radiators etc. Electrical fans can either push air through the radiator or pull air through it. This way we can assess whether fan configuration makes much difference whether you are using a radiator or a more typical heatsink tower. Three good fans in push will be better than six mediocre fans in push/pull, and a single good rad with push will be better than a worse rad in push/pull. Preference should be given to a "pull" vs. a "push" fan. a thicker radiator would perform better. OK. Not sure if it makes a big difference. Driving 3-4 fans off one MB header-> please check your MB product page/manual. Ascend to a level that respects your eyes, your wallet, your mind, and your heart. A pull configuration mean less dust on the radiator, and more air flowing pulled out threw it, that being pushed out threw it. Hmm, I just used the front because of the Bitwit video and the 10-degree difference. Would like a performance/quiet balance. The Kukri fans even have an RPM advantage here. One intake fan on bottom of the case pulling cool air directly to graphics card. However, yeah. If you want quiet, go with less fans (less fans = less noise. Pushing or blowing against itself, or the natural flow of air through the engine compartment is … To clean it you have to take the fans off. Thank you. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, 1700 3.9 / 3200 16-17-17-30 1T / 480 1370 MHz, i7-6700k | Maximus VIII Hero Alpha | Strix OC 1080 Ti | 32 DDR4, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNAMxZgvves, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYli6itP38. Completely biased and unfair towards the push. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Welcome to the official subreddit of the PC Master Race. Note: by exhaust I do not mean putting them below the radiator and then pushing air from the bottom of the rad to the outside of the case (there is no room to do this). A moderate number of fins (15-20) will scale better into 2000 RPM than a 32 FPI design. When a vehicle is moving, a pusher fan can obstruct airflow due to its positioning in front of the radiator. 3. I went with front mounted radiator, fans pulling air through it to case. I have a similar restriction in my case where the front can only be mounted one way but the top can be either. I use push and pull config as an exhaust in the back with my h80i v2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyC3lZ5WFMk&feature=youtu.be&t=2m49s. Since most AIOs these days are between 25mm and 30mm, I would really just stick with the two best fans instead of trying to mount all four. Push Pull is going to give you better performance, but cost and noise is a factor. i would go for the quiet edition just because its such a huge improvement in noise but keeping the same relative performance as fans spinning at 2700rpm (the quiet spins at 1450 rpm). I was wondering if switching those rad fans to exhaust (pulling air through the radiator) would have a major impact on performance. The key is to find the correct ratio between the 'push' and 'pull' fans. There's a number of factors in this calculation. If you've got a massively OC'd i7 and dual 290xs, then you're looking at a completely different amount of heat. I'll build a small circuit to reverse the direction of the fan every few minutes for 20 seconds or so to clear the grass anyway. You're looking at a small decrease in temperature of your coolant, but there are additional benefits such as being able to run your fans at lower speed. 6700K + 1080Ti. We hope to help you decide what kind of setup is right for you and to show the benefits of each. Here's an episode that we've been asked to do for quite some time. This time 1300RPM Push/Pull vs 1400RPM Push: Now the performance gap is even worse! Time to continue the story about radiators for liquid cooling. In this subreddit, we celebrate and promote the ultimate gaming and working platform. Many Flex-a-lite electric fans can be reversed, so they can be used as either a pusher fan (an auxiliary fan mounted to the front of the radiator) or a puller fan (primary cooling fan, mounted behind the radiator). Push pull is also not an option for me. 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